dwcfireman

Reminds me of this:
 
https://www.firerescue1.com/Firefighter-Training/articles/1634559-Wash-firefighters-pump-jet-fuel-on-fire-instead-of-water/
 
Interesting fact...If you buy an ARFF rig using federal funding (through the Airport Improvement Plan), the ARFF apparatus has to be yellowish-green, or, under certain circumstances, chrome yellow or international orange. (AC 150/5210-5D Painting, Marking, and Lighting of Vehicles Used on an Airport)

When I first got on and worked in South Queens where there was lots of private dwelling fires and a fair share of vacant buildings this was very common.  The vacants then had the plywood HUD windows which the the chauffeur would take out.  The outside teams were very aggressive and operated independently.  So the ladder chauffeurs (who were very experienced firefighters from very busy trucks) would routinely take the attic window for VES.  SOP at time was to place the tip against the top of the window or wood and lower the stick.  It really wasn't that long ago but I feel as if we know a lot more.  First of all most people have embraced two in two out to the point that VES is done as a team.  As a firefighter in the Bronx we teamed up for VES (Roof and OV) and I thought it was better.  
 
Most importantly hopefully we think a lot more about coordinating ventilation and it's effects on the overall operation.  The fact is ventilation without water being applied to the seat of the fire is going to make the fire bigger and create flow paths.  So we need to think about why we do it.  If we're going to search for life we will need to isolate the area we are going to search or the fire is coming for us.  If we are going to VEIS we want to minimize the amount of air we are feeding the fire so we should not vent until we are fully geared up and in position.  To me this means facepiece on hood on on the tip of the aerial with your haligan.  This way you break the window, enter, find the door to the room, close it and search.  If you break it with the aerial and then climb up you have given the fire air for probably another minute minimum that will have a high potential of growing the fire.  I will be honest and say this is not how we used to do it but in the past 10 years we have been given some good information that we should use to refine our tactics and work smarter and safer.  Many say we are not thinking about potential victims when we refine these tactics but it's not true.  
 
If you're venting for fire then we need to have water on the fire and I'd argue it's not so critical that we need to use the tip of the aerial.  
 
I guess my point is that I'd rethink the tactic more based on our better understanding of fire dynamics (behavior) over concerns for the health of the aerial ladder.  

In the case of the ridgefield Incident Chief hit EVAC order shortly after the fire started blowing out the front  They made all out effort to try and get to the 2 trapped residents (Mother & Son)

I assume by Commissioner Finn's comments that these engine will have roof/bumper or similar mounted foam guns? I'm not convinced foam handlines would provide much difference with regard to the proximity of the firefighters directing the stream. In fact the set up pictured in the story would require getting even closer than a standard water based stream? Also, with no disrespect to Commissioner Finn or any Boston Jakes, but the only reason dumpsters and car fires would be the most hazardous to firefighters health would be if said firefighters failed to use all their PPE, including SCBA. One can likely assume this was just a poorly constructed article using some of the easier points to lay out on why the new engines have foam systems.

Never criticize for getting the job done? So as long as we put the fire out, anything goes? I know that's not what you meant, but discussions like this should be broad based and allow use to discuss limits, situations, parameters, and practices. If you do $300k damage to an aerial while extinguishing a fire in a $200k home, with no life hazard, is that justified? Anything we do seems fine in the name of getting the job done, until someone is hurt or killed or we destroy property (there's or "ours"). The point isn't to be frozen with fear of "breaking a rule" but to understand how to employ a tactic while minimizing risk. 
 
As has been noted in numerous posts, apparatus are just tools, but let's not forget that there are proper and improper ways to utilize tools, so a video like this can be a valid opportunity to review what our people know think, understand and know about using an aerial to vent. 

The situation dictates your actions.
 
If I had a dollar for every time myself or my crew did something outside the box or not taught in a classroom to help operations, on both the fire and ems sides of the job, I'd be sitting on a nice pile of cash.
 
Never criticize someone for getting the job done. We don't know the particulars of this. If that was the only viable option, go for it.
 
Hopefully the NFPA, NIOSH, OSHA and PESH police, who have never been on the line and have never been faced with making a split second, outside the box decision, will not come and arrest the aerial operator.

 
 
From: https://www.facebook.com/PutnamNYEmergencyServices/posts/1541654022573810
 

A bunch of us from the airport went up to Boston for our annual FAA certifications.  Here's a few pics for you guys!
 
 

And an in-service shot. I hope to get my own photo of this awesome truck one day. (CLICK TO ENLARGE THE PHOTO)
 
 

*SPY SHOTS*
New FDNY Fleet Services Wrecker
2016 Mack Granite/Century
 
Photos from: Pete's Towing and Auto Body
 

 

 
Photos from: Pete's Towing and Auto Body

 
I agree with dwcfireman. We always make sure we have enough manpower to rotate crews. We run a full rehab operation at structure fires and make sure all members are rehabed and hydrated.

Then there's also the fact that you have a lot of manpower on scene so we can tag out and send fresh troops in as firefighters get tired.

Every fire is a challenge.  And every fire is going to be Monday morning quarterbacked.  But I'd rather focus on those scene lights on the bucket...Those things lit up that front yard like daylight!
 
 

Then there's also the fact that you have a lot of manpower on scene so we can tag out and send fresh troops in as firefighters get tired.

Interesting, thanks for sharing.
 
Ironically, I recently had a similar discussion with one of my Lieutenants. I suggested writing up an explanation of the RIT/FAST and posting it on our FB page. This way, members of the public would have an idea of why we "just stand around."

 
ARTICLE: https://medium.com/homeland-security/just-hangin-out-why-do-firefighters-just-stand-around-at-fires-1ebbf31eba6b

Yellow rigs are encouraged if not mandated at the airport for fire apparatus as fuel trucks are painted red. We certainly would not want to confuse the two.

A bunch of us from the airport went up to Boston for our annual FAA certifications.  Here's a few pics for you guys!
 
 

A bunch of us from the airport went up to Boston for our annual FAA certifications.  Here's a few pics for you guys!
 
 

A bunch of us from the airport went up to Boston for our annual FAA certifications.  Here's a few pics for you guys!
 
 

A bunch of us from the airport went up to Boston for our annual FAA certifications.  Here's a few pics for you guys!
 
 

A bunch of us from the airport went up to Boston for our annual FAA certifications.  Here's a few pics for you guys!
 
 

A bunch of us from the airport went up to Boston for our annual FAA certifications.  Here's a few pics for you guys!
 
 

A bunch of us from the airport went up to Boston for our annual FAA certifications.  Here's a few pics for you guys!
 
 

Anyone going to FDIC? I was really hoping to but it's too late now. The date just came up so fast. Oh, well,  maybe next year I hope
 
Are you looking forward to a seminar? What about manufacturers new product introductions? Any predictions?
 
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