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When you get hired on FDNY (or other NY city civil service public safety positions) you have to reside in the 5 boros of NYC or in the following counties: Putnam;Westchester;Rockland ;Orange; Nassau;Suffolk. As far as the NYC income tax- you  pay it whether you live in the city or not. The PD and FD unions took this point to court, saying that it was unfair (taxation without representation). The city then changed the "income tax" label to a "condition of employment fee". Basically, if you want the job, you pay the city income tax whether you live in the city or not. As far as working as a firefighter in NYC, and living in the suburbs (Putnam, in my case) it was worth the payment of this "fee", even though it wasn't right.

 
I guess you didn't read any of the above comments.  There is no provision stating that you must stay in the City after being hired.  Many people move out of the city after getting on, especially because of NYC income tax.  Too damn expensive to live there.

 
 
Someone who works for a city they live in can then use their paycheck and put back into the city at stores restaurants ect

Oh this should end well for everyone. Where will they be getting all this new energy? Canada? Really? Wind Farms? That should be able to create the same amount of energy of a nuclear power plant. I know Indian Point is old and could use a updating but you cant just cut a quarter of the power and think everything is gonna be ok.

Oh this should end well for everyone. Where will they be getting all this new energy? Canada? Really? Wind Farms? That should be able to create the same amount of energy of a nuclear power plant. I know Indian Point is old and could use a updating but you cant just cut a quarter of the power and think everything is gonna be ok.

All those people in the area are gonna have heart attacks when the tax bill come in and the Plants contribution is not there. Nice when your tax bill quadruples cause the plant which kicked a lot of cash into the area is gone.

Power plant being built in middletown (orange county) and another in Dover (dutchess). still not enough to offset the closing of Indian Pt. 
 
Cuomo talks about getting (aka buying) power from "our friends up north" (Canada) Maybe I'm wrong, but here we are, supposedly dependent on foreign oil, now he wants us to be dependent on foreign electricity. He's worse than his father, who sold the state down the river. 

New York didn't have the money to send tax refunds out on time...where in the hell will they get the money for free college?Maybe higher taxes for those who WORK  instead of living off the public dole....let those butt holes worry about 2017 and not a run in 2020...God save the USA.....
P.S....I would love to see Indian Point closed,come up with an alternative source of power and we'll talk...

 
 I just wanted to add this.
 
Regardless of any additional points granted to residents, there is no law stating that those new firefighters MUST remain residents of that city or town once appointed. I could be wrong but I know of many places here in Connecticut where that is the case. Residents get the points added to their final score, but once appointed, these firefighters are free to move OUTSIDE of the city limits.
 
 For many cities it is purely an effort to boost the diversity numbers. Once that is accomplished the city doesn't care much if a guy/gal stays around.
 
 Things have certainly changed since my Probie Days. I was an outside resident and at my final interview with the chief of department, he told me I would be offered the job under one condition. That condition was that I was required to be a resident of that city. Just like all the other firefighters were required at the time.
 
 That is no longer the case. Anybody from Anywhere is allowed to apply to get the job. There are guys that live miles away now. However, there has been a growing trend on giving certain preference to hiring certain groups of people. The chief gets the final say on who he wants to hire. I can't speak for him but here is what I have noticed.
 
 1) Groups on candidates to meet a diversity hiring preference, particularly if the are residents. In this case, I know each one and they are all respected members of the department.
 
 2) Groups of local volunteer firefighters within the city's border. Again all well respected throughout the department.  
 
 With that in mind, today this policy makes it very difficult for someone such as myself, who got this job years ago, to have any chance of getting that job today.
 
 My advice is to take EVERY TEST POSSIBLE and don't give up. I took Six test before I got the job. And I know another guy who is now a Lt here in Connecticut who took "THIRTY ONE TEST", yes 31, test before he got the job. Another friend who is also a Lt now as well, traveled back and forth to Baltimore from Connecticut for each series of the test. He scored well but still didn't get it. But he's very happy now where he ended up.
 
 Best of Luck Guys

On the topic of residency points or rules, it seems that the taxpayers in large part would like to see their tax dollars stay in he local economy. Over and over the community tries to promote itself, but showing it's a great place to live and work, so by having it's own employees be residents, it promote this sense of community and keeps the money local, sadly it often doesn't allow for the most qualified applicant to get the jobs.

It is just Gov. Cuomo preparing for his run for President in 2020, this will attract the enviormental  crowd and his recent appearance with Bernie to announce free college tuition in New York State will attract those who believe that.

Oh this should end well for everyone. Where will they be getting all this new energy? Canada? Really? Wind Farms? That should be able to create the same amount of energy of a nuclear power plant. I know Indian Point is old and could use a updating but you cant just cut a quarter of the power and think everything is gonna be ok.

You can still be picked by another town or village. If NYC don't pick you, you have to wait till next test. Also those aren't "points", if you score a 90, you don;t go to 95 on the county list. You are most likely competing with other people in your town. your score is compared against them. Your not getting a advantage.

Now we will see, but I don't expect much as this has been going on for a long time . When I was on the job we had to watch our backs not from the fire but from certain men .

 
http://www.lohud.com/story/news/local/westchester/rye-brook-port-chester/2017/01/06/state-labor-department-port-chester-firefighters-retaliation/96257600/

Especially now that departments are much more certification / classroom dependent, I think giving easy tests are actually not doing the recruits any favors in that the test does nothing to prepare them for the academy. Like it or not there will be a final exam and that one (at least in theory) is going to be based on knowledge that is learned and applied.

I was a victim of Affirmative Action in Bridgeport, Ct. That was back in the mid 70s. Boston was also going through a similar case at the time.
 
Apparently according to these cities, some people just didn't look the way they wanted them to in order to do the job as a firefighter. So in order to do the job that I grew up wanting to do, "just like my father", I had to pack my bags and leave. Leaving my family, my friends, and the only city and home I ever knew.
 
 I had ended up in some city about 75 miles away. In a place I had never been before. As it turned out, it was my gain and Bridgeport's loss. Within a few months I was able to buy a beautiful home that I never would have found in that Bridgeport area.
 
 There were old buildings there just like Bridgeport and they even had a ladder truck with a driver on the back too, just like Bridgeport. With a little extra work, I was able to get promoted and today I enjoy my retirement after 30 years with that fire department.
 
 My father was a firefighter in Bridgeport too. And one of his captains was a guy who looked much different than the rest of the guys. But it didn't matter because he was very well respected by the members throughout the department. and unlike so many others who came later, he earned his promotion and it wasn't just given to him.
 
 I am totally AGAINST any type of Affirmative Action or job offerings based solely on the way a person looks. Although I am NOT any kind of racist and I have facts to prove that.

The reason for the residency credit is pretty simple.  It gives the NYC residents a "small" edge over the out of towners.  
 
I suspect that historically the non-resident applicant pool is predominantly white & male.  The city is trying to inject diversity into the department.  The city has a large non-white population and a lot of females.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

 
I understand what you're saying but yes you do have a better advantage if you live in a town that goes off their resident list. There are many people that get passed over even with a high score because very few departments in Westchester hire off the county list. I agree with you it shouldn't be that you get an extra 5 points, in my opinion there should be no 5 points for residency and there shouldn't be town residency lists.

Oh this should end well for everyone. Where will they be getting all this new energy? Canada? Really? Wind Farms? That should be able to create the same amount of energy of a nuclear power plant. I know Indian Point is old and could use a updating but you cant just cut a quarter of the power and think everything is gonna be ok.

You can still be picked by another town or village. If NYC don't pick you, you have to wait till next test. Also those aren't "points", if you score a 90, you don;t go to 95 on the county list. You are most likely competing with other people in your town. your score is compared against them. Your not getting a advantage.

 
How is it any different than most towns in Westchester hiring off resident list? 

Oh this should end well for everyone. Where will they be getting all this new energy? Canada? Really? Wind Farms? That should be able to create the same amount of energy of a nuclear power plant. I know Indian Point is old and could use a updating but you cant just cut a quarter of the power and think everything is gonna be ok.

Oh this should end well for everyone. Where will they be getting all this new energy? Canada? Really? Wind Farms? That should be able to create the same amount of energy of a nuclear power plant. I know Indian Point is old and could use a updating but you cant just cut a quarter of the power and think everything is gonna be ok.

Oh this should end well for everyone. Where will they be getting all this new energy? Canada? Really? Wind Farms? That should be able to create the same amount of energy of a nuclear power plant. I know Indian Point is old and could use a updating but you cant just cut a quarter of the power and think everything is gonna be ok.