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CCVAC: 1125....Minus the mutal aid calls for coverage.

2011 Rockland County Totals from 44-Control's CAD*
Dept 1 - Blauvelt - 162
Dept 2 - Central Nyack - 215
Dept 3 - Congers - 324
Dept 4 - Haverstraw - 260
Dept 5 - Hillburn - 95
Dept 6 - Hillcrest - 939
Dept 7 - Monsey - 817
Dept 8 - Nanuet - 591
Dept 9 - New City - 872
Dept 10 - Nyack - 610
Dept 11 - Orangeburg - 304
Dept 12 - Pearl River - 375
Dept 13 - Piermont - 171 fire, 191 EMS**
Dept 14 - Rockland Lake - 14
Dept 15 - Sloatsburg - 248
Dept 16 - Sparkill - 155
Dept 17 - Spring Valley - 1,076
Dept 18 - Stony Point - 338
Dept 19 - Suffern - 336
Dept 20 - Tallman - 714
Dept 21 - Tappan - 156
Dept 22 - Valley Cottage - 234
Dept 23 - West Haverstraw - 228
Dept 24 - West Nyack - 430
Dept 25 - South Spring Valley - 219
Dept 26 - Thiells - 235
TOTAL - 10,309 (up 1,309 from last year)
* Actual totals are a bit higher, these numbers only reflect calls dispatched by the county and don't take into account "silent alarms" and whatnot
** No FD's in Rockland run EMS except for Piermont FD's "13-EM" BLS ambulance

a few years ago:
Unit: "2**1 to 60 control"
60 Control: "control is on chief"
Unit: "Give me a rush on the bus"
60 Control: "10-4 chief Bee-Line notified ETA 10min. Is that ok with you?"
Unit: "Looking for my ambulance responding to the call."
60 Control: "your ambulance just called on scene do you see them?"
Unit: "I do now, Thank you control."

DISPATCH: 60 Control to _______VAC, **M1, _____ Main St, 2nd floor unkown medical.
Unit: **B2 enroute, **M1 enroute
60 Control: K both units responding @ time....Units be advised pt has blue hands and blue feet...
UNKOWN UNIT: I sure hope he was finger painting
**M1: (laughing) 10-4 on the blue hands and blue feet.
**11: 60 control show me enroute to the Blue hands and blue feet call
60 control: 10-4 Capt. got u enroute (voice in the background.) He wants to finger paint too!!!
**11: Yes I do. Is that ok with you???
60 Control: thats a negative Capt. as long as you make me something pretty.
**11: 10-4 Making you something pretty.

Brontosaurus 1 was always fun.
When we were clearing Phelps once with 55B2 when "The Sopranos" was still on, I said "Fifty-Five Bada-Bing Two is in service." Got back to quarters and our Chief was waiting for me. Expecting him to be real pissed, he said, "Hey *******, it's 55B2 not 55BB2."
Well played Chief, well played.

a few years ago:
Unit: "2**1 to 60 control"
60 Control: "control is on chief"
Unit: "Give me a rush on the bus"
60 Control: "10-4 chief Bee-Line notified ETA 10min. Is that ok with you?"
Unit: "Looking for my ambulance responding to the call."
60 Control: "your ambulance just called on scene do you see them?"
Unit: "I do now, Thank you control."

Regarding the site's editing policy, I'd just like to observe how the process has changed over time:
USED TO BE:
*You could delete any of your posts, anytime you felt like it. This apparently disrupted the flow of the threads, so it was eliminated.
*You could edit your posts going back in time with no limits.
*Used to be if you edited, it was a note at the bottom of the post.
NOW:
*There's an "edit window" where you get a chance to correct or reword for a limited amount of hours.
*If God forbid, you DO edit you weasel, it looks like a big dirty pencil eraser that says "edited by such and such" in bold letters.
*So think twice before you edit. It's obviously frowned upon. You weasel. lol
Edit: I admit it, I've edited!

Really!!! There is no need to apologize! You simply posed a simple question out of pure honest personal interest and curiosity that became a political s*** storm as usual. I appreciate EVERYONE’s thoughts and professional opinions, but to continue to turn every damn thing into a political push is ridiculous. Honestly thats what is a complete turn off on this site!
I agree personnell is by far extremly imparitive (No debate from me), but the kid was just asking a simple question. It would be nice to see a topic stick to the point rather then become argumentive.

Date: 12/28/11
Time: 23:25 (Approx)
Location: Bear Mountain Parkway at Highland Avenue
Frequencies: EMS 10 / 453.400 / 453.225
Peekskill EMS Units: 7513, 75B2, 75B3, 75B4
Cortlandt ALS Unit: 35M1
Putnam ALS Unit: Medic 2
Mohegan EMS Unit: 69B3
Ossining EMS Unit: 74A1
Peekskill FD Units: 2341, 2342, R134
Other: Peekskill PD, WCDES EMS 11
Weather Conditions: Cold & Windy
Description Of Incident: Two-Car MVA
Reporters: Da' Box
Writer: Da' Box
Per 35M1 - 3 Level 1 Traumas & 2 BLS patients
75B2 ALS w/ 1 to WMC
75B3 ALS w/ 1 to WMC
75B4 ALS w/ 1 to WMC
69B3 BLS w/ 2 to WMC
Mohegan 69B2 covered another EMS call in Peekskill during this incident.
Cortlandt 88B2 on standby in own HQ for Peekskill.
Cortlandt 88B1 handling another incident in Cortlandt.
PFD Medic 39M2 tied up on decon from another incident.
OVAC 74A1 responded due to 36M1 being on a Croton call going to WMC via 55B1.
2nd Call in Croton, 34M1 (Yorktown) dispatched w/ 55B2.
PFD 2343, E131, TL45 handled a CO investigation at same time.

Ladies and Gentlemen, in this particular instance, Connecticut wins.

No idea what you're referring to... best one ever was the foot injury in the HVHC parking lot at like 3am...
You: "39M1 to 60 Control."
Me: "60 Control is on."
You: "John, are you serious?"
Me: "Yup, she is standing in the ER entrance awaiting your arrival."

a few years ago:
Unit: "2**1 to 60 control"
60 Control: "control is on chief"
Unit: "Give me a rush on the bus"
60 Control: "10-4 chief Bee-Line notified ETA 10min. Is that ok with you?"
Unit: "Looking for my ambulance responding to the call."
60 Control: "your ambulance just called on scene do you see them?"
Unit: "I do now, Thank you control."

a few years ago:
Unit: "2**1 to 60 control"
60 Control: "control is on chief"
Unit: "Give me a rush on the bus"
60 Control: "10-4 chief Bee-Line notified ETA 10min. Is that ok with you?"
Unit: "Looking for my ambulance responding to the call."
60 Control: "your ambulance just called on scene do you see them?"
Unit: "I do now, Thank you control."

a few years ago:
Unit: "2**1 to 60 control"
60 Control: "control is on chief"
Unit: "Give me a rush on the bus"
60 Control: "10-4 chief Bee-Line notified ETA 10min. Is that ok with you?"
Unit: "Looking for my ambulance responding to the call."
60 Control: "your ambulance just called on scene do you see them?"
Unit: "I do now, Thank you control."

a few years ago:
Unit: "2**1 to 60 control"
60 Control: "control is on chief"
Unit: "Give me a rush on the bus"
60 Control: "10-4 chief Bee-Line notified ETA 10min. Is that ok with you?"
Unit: "Looking for my ambulance responding to the call."
60 Control: "your ambulance just called on scene do you see them?"
Unit: "I do now, Thank you control."

Sorry everyone, but i want to discuss a topic that is a big pet pieve of mine: Freelancing or "buffing" of calls.
Manpower is always a hot topic here on EMTBravo and rightfully so. But i want to discuss another form of manpower, the kind that just shows up.
Why is this (or at least seems to be) an accepted practice in many areas? Time and time again, i see members of agencies that havent even been requested showing up to fires.
Better yet, i see members of agencies who HAVE been requested who show up on scenes in their POV's. If your agency is requested M/A for an engine, Truck, FAST, etc, why wouldnt/shouldnt you go to your respective station to "staff" the apparatus? Wouldnt it make more sense for EVERYONE to know who they have and if they can properly fill out the request?
It seems that there is way too much freelancing that occurs. This leads to a less uniform response and operation.
More importantly, it leads to lack of accountability and makes for a free-for-all on the fireground.
Im just curious what other members think of this, or does nobody else see it as an issue? Perhaps some of you feels its an acceptable practice?
This is obviously a volunteer issue. But any of the career members on here, please, feel free to chime in with your thoughts.
Im curious if any agencies have SOPs/SOGs regarding this?
Personally, i feel if people are found to be freelancing, they should be sent packing from the scene.
Manpower is great, but only good if its known/recorded.
Ideas, thoughts, opinions?
Thank you and stay safe!

Just because their dept was called, does not mean that accountability is properly handled.
In fact i find most mutual aid incidents do not have accountability (or they think they have it, but thats for another thread).
Without proper accountabilty you will have freelancing. Does not matter the type or size of department.

Date: 12-25-2011
Time: 21:06
Location: 157 7th Street (Staging is Broadway @ 7th Street)
Frequency: 46.26
Units Operating: [Verplanck FD: 2491, 2492, 2493, E128, E126, TL46]; [Montrose FD: 2271, 2272, 2273, TL8]; [Buchanan FD: 2551, 2553, U12]; [Peekskill FD 2342, 2343, R134]; [Cortland VAC: 8805]; [Verplanck EMS: 83B1];
Weather Conditions: Chilly
Description Of Incident: Working fire in a 2.5-story 30x50 ordinary construction P/D. Heavy fire on the #2 floor and through the roof.
Reporters: BigBuff; newsbuff;
Writer: PFDRes47cue
21:06 - Verplanck toned out for reported structure fire. Montrose FD and Buchanan FD put on standby.
21:07 - Retone confirmed structure fire, fire on the #2 floor and through the roof.
21:08 - Peekskill FAST and Buchanan Cascade requested.
21:10 - Battalion 10 toned out.
21:13 - 2491 requests the ladder from Montrose. Montrose engine on scene hitting a hydrant on Westchester Ave.
21:17 - Peekskill FAST is on responding.
21:25 - 2491 requesting CVAC Rehab Unit to the scene.
21:30 - Battalion 10 w/ the update. Working fire in a 2.5-story 30x50 ordinary construction P/D. 2 L/S/O.
21:36 - 2491 requesting C&O to the scene. C&O zone 4 toned out to landline 60-Control.
21:51 - 2491 relaying message from Battalion 10, fire is knocked down on the #2 floor, checking for extension.
21:56 - C&O signed on and is responding.
22:01 - 1404 and 1406 on scene.
22:06 - Battalion 10 progress report. Fire knocked down, overhauling, checking for hot spot, still 2 L/S/O, will hold A.T.T.
22:15 - Con Ed crew is coming coming from Mount Kisco with a 20 min ETA.
22:22 - Breaking down the connection to the hydrant.
22:45 - Fire placed U/C, Peekskill FAST being released, Con Ed has been on location for 10 minutes.
22:50 - CD corner is still smoldering.
00:04 - All Verplanck FD units clear of scene, back in service.

This came up on another thread, so lets look at this issue.
Hopefully everyone understands the importance of this issue.
How does your department handle accountability?
And does it really account for your personnel?
Do you handle the 1st rig or 2 different than once you have established a "full" command structure?
How are mutual aid agencies addressed?
How do you account for members (career or volunteers) who arrive on-scene without apparatus (i.e. buffing, POV, call back, etc.)?

JFLYNN, this thread is mearly for interest sake, to see what certain fire departments dispatch to the scene of the fire. If it is a paid department, there is a certain staffing level in which it is obvious to tell how many personnel are o/s. If a career department staffs 3 per rig, adding together the number of rigs then multiplying by 3 gives you the number of personnel on scene. For volunteers, it varries.
However, that aside, this thread is not about manpower and it is not about assessing a department's capabilities in regards to manpower. It is solely to see what and how many pieces of fire apparatus are dispatched to the scene depending on the department. It is, again, for interest sake and not to make it look like fire trucks are in any way more important than the firefighters that ride and operate them.
Yes, firefighters put out fires and personnel on scene is important, but this thread is not meant to discuss manpower, but rather apparatus response to structure fires in Westchester County.
Hope this clears things up.

was acutally looking to answer some of the other questions that were asked on here. but since u just so happened to quote me i guess i will add what i think.
1. i thought that FDNY Rescue companies do alot of specialty work such as tech rescue, and could be utlized as a truck company to do search and rescue at a fire.
2. i see where this is gonna lead, and like every other topic its gonna come down to paid vs vollie. because vollies dont have as much training as career staff. it gets kinda old and seems to be popping up more and more frequently. i know im not the only one tired of seeing it.

? I have actually seen people with dwarfism pull 5 inch off the engine (not that hard, just grab the first length and run with it). Are you saying they need a larger hook than other people or that cause they are shorter they will grab the wrong one? Ok, so they need to get a bigger hook oh well. Do taller people use smaller hooks? Is that wrong? Uh we all use ladders there pal. I've also seen a ff with the same situation grab a 24' fiberglass extension ladder off the side of the engine and carry it to the side of the building and raise it up alone with no assistance whatsoever. If someone can do the job who cares what they look like or how they overcome it to get it done.

In the early 70's back in my original dept., the chief appointed a good friend of mine who was under the "minimum height requirement of 5'8" in bare feet". When a member of the [comic] common council questioned the appointment, the chief responded that in all of his years of service, he has yet to see a guy fight a fire in his bare feet. The appointment stood and made good reading in the local gossip sheet.

was acutally looking to answer some of the other questions that were asked on here. but since u just so happened to quote me i guess i will add what i think.
1. i thought that FDNY Rescue companies do alot of specialty work such as tech rescue, and could be utlized as a truck company to do search and rescue at a fire.
2. i see where this is gonna lead, and like every other topic its gonna come down to paid vs vollie. because vollies dont have as much training as career staff. it gets kinda old and seems to be popping up more and more frequently. i know im not the only one tired of seeing it.

was acutally looking to answer some of the other questions that were asked on here. but since u just so happened to quote me i guess i will add what i think.
1. i thought that FDNY Rescue companies do alot of specialty work such as tech rescue, and could be utlized as a truck company to do search and rescue at a fire.
2. i see where this is gonna lead, and like every other topic its gonna come down to paid vs vollie. because vollies dont have as much training as career staff. it gets kinda old and seems to be popping up more and more frequently. i know im not the only one tired of seeing it.