Newburgher

The ladder has 3 also. The Assistant Chief is the tenth person on the shift. Currently, this is still our minimum. That fourth guy on each rig makes a huge difference.

Date:1/26/18
Time:10:39
Location:165 Broadway
District:

Battalion:3

Channel:Newburgh FG

Weather:Cold
Units:Newburgh Car 4 (Command) Truck 1,  Engine 1 & 3

2nd alarm: Newburgh Car 2&3, Truck 10, Engine 10, Fire Investigation.

Mutual Aid : West Point Truck, Stewart Engine 11, OC Car 13, MLSS

Stand-by Companies: Good Will Engine, Vails Gate Truck both to NFD HQ
Writer:  Newburgher

Description:3 story ordinary, fire in the basement.

10:41 Car 4 on scene, transmitting the 2nd alarm on arrival for a fire in the basement. Occupants in 2nd and 3rd floor evacuated safely. Fire confined to basement and extinguished by 1st line.  No extension to upper floors. Two dogs located in fire area and removed to sidewalk. Oxygen administrated, both survived. 

Under control at 11:15

Last Unit cleared at 12:30

**We do not have a Car 1, Car 5, or any Companies designated Ladder 2, Engine 2, or Engine 4**

1 hour ago, Flashpoint said:

Who is responsible for the cost of supplying, and resupplying the foam? NYS?

Not for the units outside of the NYS foam task force.   This trailer is from the same manufacturer and identical, but I don't believe it's one of the 17 owned by the state

Newburgh works 24s also, but it's 72 off.  I know Kingston and Poughkeepsie do also, but I don't know for a fact what their time off is

I just realized the same picture appears twice.  The duplicate can be removed if it needs to be

Picture of the Snorkel after it left Newburgh.  With lots of wires and narrow streets, it didnt stay here long, and went to Monticello next.  How long they had it, I do not know. Poughkeepsie had one for a short time too

This picture shows the Snorkel, along with the rest of the in service ( at the time) American LaFrances.

This was the Snorkel that Newburgh tried. With lots of wires and narrow streets, it only stayed a short time. It then went to Monticello, I don't know how long the kept it though. 

We know. The guy with no direct knowledge told us already.   

Then, why would you answer?

9 hours ago, huzzie59 said:

"From Tooth To Tail".  Are the supporting personnel in an army still called "Soldiers"?

Or only the ones firing the bullets?

 

Are they trained and certified the same as soldiers?

Rear mount, 100' Aerials:

1- We can't afford tillers

2-99% of the time, we are working through wires, not enough room for a tower ladder

3-Modern tower ladders in our surrounding area have way too much tail swing to even maneuver around our streets in the warm weather, forget about when there are snow banks and even tighter streets and intersections.

4-99% of our fires, the truck is needed for roof/building access, not fly pipe operations.

5-The aerial tip is easier to get on and off of than crawling under a bar in the Tower's dumpster.

When we need exterior water flows, we do call for a tower ladder, and have them included on the 2nd alarm for our Broadway commercial buildings. They are just too big and

clumsy to use for the majority of our calls and fires.

On 2/11/16 at approximately 0200 hours there was a second alarm fire in Newburgh as posted in the incidents here. Listed as responding was T10. Is that the Reserve Ladder manned by called back firefighters ? Also, can I assume that both reserve engines were manned by off duty-called back, Newburgh Firefighters ?

That is correct. The reserve apparatus, when manned are designated Truck 10, Engine 10, 11

The City of Newburgh Firefighters are to be commended for their dedication to their jobs as firefighters. Those firefighters must deal with the cards that are dealt them. Of course every firefighter of that city would want more manning. I am sure they all fully understand how manning can have a very serious effect on both the civilians lives they are to protect as well as their own safety. Excluding any property damage. It is the first few minutes in any fire that have the most effect on it's outcome.

I Salute the City of Newburgh Firefighters for the job they do.

Thank you for your dedicated service to the citizens of Newburgh.

Just today is an article that was posted in the NY Daily News on how important the addition of the FIFTH Firefighter to several Engine Cos is. It points out that now this will enable them to get that water on the fire TWICE as fast as before. I realize that Newburgh is not about to put a fifth firefighter on their engine companies. But it does point out how manning plays such an important part when fighting a fire. Here is that article.

www.nydailynews.com/new-york/exclusive-fdny-companies-add-firefighter-article-1.2526155

With our SAFER grant, we routinely had four and sometimes five guys on our rigs. The difference was pretty dramatic. We went from one guy stretching the first line to two or three. Our current minimum is three on a rig. Trying to get better manning is something they were trying to achieve long before I got here.

We cover 3 square miles and a population of 30,000+. More than half of the population is below the poverty line. Median income is around $23,000. Out of 7,000 buildings, 980 are vacant.

We routinely apply for and utilize grant money for everything we can.

What's the time frame for additional help to arrive!

Depending on the time and day of the week, 10-20 minutes. We have no control over the volunteers crewing. Our area is already experiencing volunteer burnout from every district around us using automatic response for every call.

Compare what the response to this fire is Newburgh WAS to what it would be in New York City.

Or in westchester. Or in your town.

My town would have about as many members on the working fire as they do on the second alarm. Why is that? Why is minimal staffing ok? Newburgh is a union department. Why don't the members push for more resources to be called in.

We know how many people it takes to fight a fire effectively. Why in any jurisdiction to we allow this level of response to continue?

Do you think the members don't push for more? On a second alarm we have another engine plus the spare truck manned, another Assistant Chief, a FAST from mutual aid, an additional engine from mutual aid, plus whatever else is needed. When help is needed, we call it in. If we don't need it, why call everyone and their brother?

What makes dual response and mutual aid different?

If they have both lists, they do it to exhaust the resident list first. My city, has a spanish speaking resident, city resident, Spanish speaking county, then the county list. As they said above, no real cut and dry timeline. Our last list, we hired 25. Some tests, 0. Our resident lists were first, lots of people couldn't pass the agility test, some didn't even bother showing up. we went to the county lists, and some were already hired elsewhere, so they were no longer interested. It varies by city, and county, but comes down to how many openings. Hope that helps clear it up somewhat.

In an ideal world everybody wears their mask. In the real world these guys are working from the outside so you're going to suck smoke. Can't wear a mask all the time. Good job knocking it down with a can.

I agree working outside, you will get a little. But once you go inside, when it's still banked down to the floor and snotty, put it on. It takes seconds. What's the sense in wearing the pack and not using it when you need it? We wear airpacks at car fires, in less smoke.

Are you sure about that? I was told if they go off the residence list they are stuck with it to the end.

That's the way it works. Someone scoring a 100 on the County List gets hired after someone scoring the minimum passing grade on the resident list. All jurisdictions with dual lists do it that way. Don't like the way it's done? Rent a place in the city you want to work for, and actually move in. Then, you can file as a resident.

Thanks

Is the Officer and Driver included in that count? I have heard that it's five plus the Officer, and possibly the driver. (From a less than reliable source)

AR AFFF

The trailers are for the NYS foam task force, They are spaced along the CSX line from Erie County, down the West side of the Hudson, as well as from Albany north, along the CP line. (Following the crude shipments) The spacing is to get 3 on the scene anywhere along the line within 45 minutes. If the state task force is activated, the manpower expenses are reimbursed. If they are used on a local response, the State will help with the paperwork to bill the insurance company. Either way, there re foam stockpiles to put the trailers right back in service after the emergency.

Not as well thought out. Actually, to me it looks like the only purpose of these trucks, was a way of spending money.