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As I recall both Ferrara and KME had to specifically build new cab designs to meet the FDNY spec, they weren't already on their line. So it would be possible for another builder to do the same if they thought it was worth the effort. I doubt the majority of the fire service has the same street and station limitations that require the need for the split tilt cab, so you have to really put a lot of stock in your ability to keep an FDNY contract, and hope some other just use the FDNY spec because it must be the best (which I imagine it is...for them). 
 
I know many folks in this forum must have some direct knowledge, but early on there was a lot of grumbling about the KME product, but maybe that would be the same of anything? Unlike many fire departments where the apparatus is the crown jewels of the department, I suspect most FDNY personnel see the apparatus as merely tools that allow them to do the job, thus they set the bar high.   

As I recall both Ferrara and KME had to specifically build new cab designs to meet the FDNY spec, they weren't already on their line. So it would be possible for another builder to do the same if they thought it was worth the effort. I doubt the majority of the fire service has the same street and station limitations that require the need for the split tilt cab, so you have to really put a lot of stock in your ability to keep an FDNY contract, and hope some other just use the FDNY spec because it must be the best (which I imagine it is...for them). 
 
I know many folks in this forum must have some direct knowledge, but early on there was a lot of grumbling about the KME product, but maybe that would be the same of anything? Unlike many fire departments where the apparatus is the crown jewels of the department, I suspect most FDNY personnel see the apparatus as merely tools that allow them to do the job, thus they set the bar high.   

As I recall both Ferrara and KME had to specifically build new cab designs to meet the FDNY spec, they weren't already on their line. So it would be possible for another builder to do the same if they thought it was worth the effort. I doubt the majority of the fire service has the same street and station limitations that require the need for the split tilt cab, so you have to really put a lot of stock in your ability to keep an FDNY contract, and hope some other just use the FDNY spec because it must be the best (which I imagine it is...for them). 
 
I know many folks in this forum must have some direct knowledge, but early on there was a lot of grumbling about the KME product, but maybe that would be the same of anything? Unlike many fire departments where the apparatus is the crown jewels of the department, I suspect most FDNY personnel see the apparatus as merely tools that allow them to do the job, thus they set the bar high.   

As I recall both Ferrara and KME had to specifically build new cab designs to meet the FDNY spec, they weren't already on their line. So it would be possible for another builder to do the same if they thought it was worth the effort. I doubt the majority of the fire service has the same street and station limitations that require the need for the split tilt cab, so you have to really put a lot of stock in your ability to keep an FDNY contract, and hope some other just use the FDNY spec because it must be the best (which I imagine it is...for them). 
 
I know many folks in this forum must have some direct knowledge, but early on there was a lot of grumbling about the KME product, but maybe that would be the same of anything? Unlike many fire departments where the apparatus is the crown jewels of the department, I suspect most FDNY personnel see the apparatus as merely tools that allow them to do the job, thus they set the bar high.   

Tower ladder failure or operator error? Any other angles of this photo?

On the topic of residency points or rules, it seems that the taxpayers in large part would like to see their tax dollars stay in he local economy. Over and over the community tries to promote itself, but showing it's a great place to live and work, so by having it's own employees be residents, it promote this sense of community and keeps the money local, sadly it often doesn't allow for the most qualified applicant to get the jobs.

Considering their recruit training program and probationary process, prior firefighting knowledge while likely beneficial, isn't specifically necessary for a recruit to succeed in that system.  To some extent, entry level civil service exams aren't specifically for testing job specific knowledge, but rather to evaluate a person's general knowledge, reading comprehension, ability to follow directions, ability to solve problems, etc.
 
Personally, I don't see a problem with this as long as the test is adequately assessing a candidate's mental aptitude for what is needed to complete recruit school and perform the job vs dumbing down the exam in order to achieve diversity at the expense of quality.

Thanks for putting that into context. I guess some people always smell a rat with government, thus even a good idea that saves them money and improves service must somehow be a bad deal. Sadly it looks like it means those FD's will continue to run unsafely understaffed, a factor that the voters didn't seem to grasp.

Thanks, just wanted to confirm we were talking about the same thing.
 
 
Right and that's what I was talking about.  While checking my equipment the day after a fire, it's not uncommon to find some cylinders that have settled and need topped off.
 
 
That may be what you are used to, but in my area it's pretty common for cylinders to be filled on scene and not just for them to be reused at that incident.  Most departments don't have air trucks either, but there are enough that one typically responds to most working fires.  Many departments around here also don't have fill stations in the firehouse, which is part of the reason an air truck is usually requested at some point, even if you won't need to reuse them right away.
 
I would agree a 700psi drop is not good, but there generally isn't a build up of heat on the fill station end.  At least nothing I've ever experienced.  The heat is primarily generated by the air under pressure being pushed into the cylinder.  The friction of the air passing thru the cylinder valve raises the temp of the air going in.  The faster the flow, the hotter the air gets and that heat is transferred to the cylinder body. 
 

Great guy, great video.
 

Huh? Why lower the volume when you can just (maybe a law issues) limit the use of the siren to "as needed"? It would seem lowering the volume will result in the siren being ineffective when it's needed (inattentive motorists). I doubt the sirens used in the firetrucks or PD vehicles are any different in output, merely just the use as noted. No doubt this petitioner did not seek any "expert" opinions as to the problem and other solutions. 

Huh? Why lower the volume when you can just (maybe a law issues) limit the use of the siren to "as needed"? It would seem lowering the volume will result in the siren being ineffective when it's needed (inattentive motorists). I doubt the sirens used in the firetrucks or PD vehicles are any different in output, merely just the use as noted. No doubt this petitioner did not seek any "expert" opinions as to the problem and other solutions. 

Huh? Why lower the volume when you can just (maybe a law issues) limit the use of the siren to "as needed"? It would seem lowering the volume will result in the siren being ineffective when it's needed (inattentive motorists). I doubt the sirens used in the firetrucks or PD vehicles are any different in output, merely just the use as noted. No doubt this petitioner did not seek any "expert" opinions as to the problem and other solutions. 

Huh? Why lower the volume when you can just (maybe a law issues) limit the use of the siren to "as needed"? It would seem lowering the volume will result in the siren being ineffective when it's needed (inattentive motorists). I doubt the sirens used in the firetrucks or PD vehicles are any different in output, merely just the use as noted. No doubt this petitioner did not seek any "expert" opinions as to the problem and other solutions. 

Huh? Why lower the volume when you can just (maybe a law issues) limit the use of the siren to "as needed"? It would seem lowering the volume will result in the siren being ineffective when it's needed (inattentive motorists). I doubt the sirens used in the firetrucks or PD vehicles are any different in output, merely just the use as noted. No doubt this petitioner did not seek any "expert" opinions as to the problem and other solutions. 

"the heat build up raises the pressure"Are they talking about the bottles be "warm" post fire or do they realize the filling process generates heat? I have to wonder how fast their filling their bottles. "Hot filling" speeds the process but always results in shrinkage (never good). 700 psi seems like a significant amount that likely is the direct result of speed filling the cylinders.

"the heat build up raises the pressure"Are they talking about the bottles be "warm" post fire or do they realize the filling process generates heat? I have to wonder how fast their filling their bottles. "Hot filling" speeds the process but always results in shrinkage (never good). 700 psi seems like a significant amount that likely is the direct result of speed filling the cylinders.

"the heat build up raises the pressure"Are they talking about the bottles be "warm" post fire or do they realize the filling process generates heat? I have to wonder how fast their filling their bottles. "Hot filling" speeds the process but always results in shrinkage (never good). 700 psi seems like a significant amount that likely is the direct result of speed filling the cylinders.

I meant  to imply that fault most likely lies with city hall and the administration...also building occupants  who had to know something was wrong...i'am sure inspectors reported conditions to supervisors ...

The legal complaint is a bit difficult to read, they list competing manufacturers as all having a hand in the SCBA? Recent news images show PFD using Scott SCBA. The lawsuit seems to go after every part of the firefighters protective gear, but doesn't give details of who made what and what the failure was that they believe resulted in the fatality. maybe just throwing it all against the wall to see what sticks? 

The only ones who will win are the lawyers. Unless they have a very detailed finding of a failed piece of equipment, I can't imagine the defense will have much difficulty showing the hundreds of other uncontrolled variables that might have caused this fatality. I see this being like the Boston situation looking at the hose manufacturer... Lawyers know they won't get much suing the city, so they go for the deepest private pockets. 

The legal complaint is a bit difficult to read, they list competing manufacturers as all having a hand in the SCBA? Recent news images show PFD using Scott SCBA. The lawsuit seems to go after every part of the firefighters protective gear, but doesn't give details of who made what and what the failure was that they believe resulted in the fatality. maybe just throwing it all against the wall to see what sticks? 

The legal complaint is a bit difficult to read, they list competing manufacturers as all having a hand in the SCBA? Recent news images show PFD using Scott SCBA. The lawsuit seems to go after every part of the firefighters protective gear, but doesn't give details of who made what and what the failure was that they believe resulted in the fatality. maybe just throwing it all against the wall to see what sticks? 

Below is an  Interesting    Historical  Tidbit about the  M/A  By  Honolulu FD  to  the US  government during  the  Japanese  Attack on  Pearl

Sorry, maybe I'm missing a whole lot, but WTF!!! No one could figure out how to prevent the fire from getting inside? Maybe hit the eaves and let the water wash down the siding from a safe point away from the power? Hell dry chemical upon arrival? Seems like maybe getting inside in the rooms with windows directly being exposed to the outside fire might have been a good idea? Amateur hour in NJ?