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Progress is here:

Tradition is here:

What can we take from this?
-Sometimes you have to imagine how things will play out in the paper and the damage that can be done to the reputation of your orginization.
-If your an officer be the officer. It is your job to be the voice of reason when things get out of hand.
-It's 2011 this is how things are we are not going back to the old days.
The alleged conduct is both illegal and sick. Instead of making this thread another gripe about a black eye for the fire service lets try to be vigilant and do our jobs and make the tough decisions to keep or orginizations on the level.

Then you NEED that Union.
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Date: 06-23-11
Time: 1551hrs
Location: Route 32 & Orrs Mills Rd. (Cornwall/Vails Gate line)
Frequency: OC911
Units Operating: Numerous, see below
Weather Conditions: Hot/Humid
Description Of Incident: Tractor-Trailer vs. SUV
Reporters:
Writer: BFD1054 (O/S)
1551hrs-Vails Gate FD dispatched for the MVA; reported Tractor Trailer roll-over with fuel spill.
1553hrs-Vails Gate FD updated; Tractor Trailer vs. SUV with (2) persons trapped. Tractor Trailer is on its side leaking fuel.
Vails Gate Car-2 arrived on scene and established Vails Gate Command. EMS (New Windsor and Cornwall) was able to remove the (2) occupants of the SUV and both were transported ALS. The driver of the tractor-trailer self-extricated with the assistance of by-standers and was transported BLS.
VGFD Car-2 was advised that the tanker was loaded with 10,000 gallons of gasoline and 1,000 gallons of diesel.
VGFD R480 was 1st on scene. R480's crew was advised of negative entrapment and its crew was then directed to mitigate the fuel spill. Runoff (gasoline) was going into a drainage ditch that runs under Route 32 and into Moodna Creek.
Crews used as many booms and pad's as possible to help stop the runoff.
VGFD E481 arrived and its crew stretched a precautionary foam line. E479 then arrived and supplied E481 with a supply line.
VGFD M476 and M486 arrived with additional booms for containment.
Numerous pieces of equipment and manpower from Quality Towing arrived on scene within moments. (2) large heavy wreckers w/rotating booms, (1) utility w/spill containment equipment and several other support trucks were on location for the duration of the incident. Quality was a huge asset during this operation.
Vails Gate Command determined that the incident was actually just into the Cornwall Fire District. They were notified and responded with (1) Engine, (1) Rescue and a Utility w/Support trailer. Thier members immediately went to work assisting Vails Gate members with containment. All members working were rotated in 15-20 minute intervals.
Orange County's Haz-Mat Team was then requested to respond with additional supplies. They responded with equipment and supplies, as well as numerous Haz-Mat members.
The Stewart Air National Guard FD was then requested to respond with (1) Crash Rescue Truck for its foam capabilities.
Conklin Services and Construction of Newburgh arrived on the scene with a pump-tank truck, several support trucks and numerous employees to assist in the containment of run-off.
Quality Towing arranged for Tankers from All Aboard Transport of Vails Gate to come to the scene so that the product could be off-loaded. Quality and All Aboard employees worked side-by-side for approximatley 3 hours to complete the off-loading process.
While the off-loading was being done, a foamline was continuously manned and in addition, the Crash Rescue Truck was brought in close to the tractor trailer.
Throughout the incident, members of Cornwall VAC ran re-hab and ensured our members were well hydrated (thank you).
Once the tractor trailer was up-righted and placed on the street, Fire and EMS units started picking-up and returning.
Vails Gate FD units were picked-up and in service by approximatley 2015hrs.
Sorry for not having times and not writing this up in typical IA format.
Some units/agencies that were on-scene:
Vails Gate FD: Cars 2(IC), 3, 5, 6, 7, R480, E481, E479, M476, M486.
Cornwall FD: Car 1, E404, R403, M40? w/Trailer.
Stewart ANGFD: (1) Crash Rescue Truck (Crash 7).
Orange County HAZ-MAT Team: Numerous
Orange County Emergency Services: Car 36-1 and (1) Battalion Coordinator
New Windsor EMS: Numerous including EMS Chief, ALS.
Cornwall EMS: Numerous
Town of Cornwall PD: Numerous including the Chief, Patrol Sgt and patrols.
NYS Police: Patrol
NYS ENCON Police: Patrol
NYS DOT: Numerous including Enforcement
Quality Towing: Numerous including (2) Heavy Wreckers w/booms and support vehicles.
All Aboard Transport: (2) Tankers for off-loading
Conklin Services and Construction: Numerous support vehicles for containment of product.
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No company by that name is listed in the fold out exhibitor map.

Good show. but it was disheartening to see lines of people at the booths that sold nothing but "cool guy T shirts", but no one at the free cholesterol screening/health wellness booth or booths that were selling training manuals.
I did talk to Spotted Dog about their ROVER system at length, I think it is much better than I Am Responding. IAR was the first to market with a response system, but Spotted Dog perfected it. I sense a change coming in my fire station.

And we thought it was in North Haven getting the finnishing touches done so it could go in service. Silly us.

Meriden, CT Engine 3

All the shiny trucks in the world cant fight fires without proper staffing.....

Then you NEED that Union.
Welcome.

All the shiny trucks in the world cant fight fires without proper staffing.....

All the shiny trucks in the world cant fight fires without proper staffing.....

Well,ask yourself this question,lets say you join, and down the road they ask you to be involved in a job action which could be sickout,protest,strike,etc. Would you oblige ??? If your answer is already question mark then you may have your answer.

On June 22, 1997 Lieutenant Michael E. Neuner lost his life in the Line of Duty
fighting a Fire in Brewster, NY.
Michael was also a Police Officer in the City of Peekskill.
ALAWAYS REMEMBER...
#585 BREWSTER FD
#27 PEEKSKILL PD

TTT...Round 2?

Aye... What kind of abuses were there?

bump.
It's this weekend, Friday to Sunday.

The New England Association of Fire Chief's Expo will be Friday June 24 through Sunday June 26, 2011 at Springfield, Mass. Hours for the Expo are Friday 0900 - 1700, Saturday 0900 - 1500, and Sunday 0900 - 1400. Price of admission is $10 each and parking is $5.
This show is well worth the ride (two hours from Central Westchester). Last year Buchanan's Rescue, Katonah's Engine and Yonker's Ladder were on display, so there are local rigs on display. There is a good mix of manufacturers on display with Fire Apparatus, EMS rigs and firematic supplies and related services. Definately worth it.

Shout Box. Revive it.

And, to add to THAT, the job is confirmed whe YOU hear a fire department IC confirm the incident (not PD or bystanders,etc)
Also, the majority of your knowledge should come from the scene and other original sources....whether listening to it on a scanner, communicating with someone on scene, etc.
If YOU don't have the information, then don't post.

I don want to single anyone out, but why are particular members posting incomplete IA's, without even knowing the incident location? And then asking other members to PM them with the necessary info to complete the IA? How about waiting until you have all the info, or at a minimum the incident location, and then posting it so no one wastes their time reading an incomplete IA.

Hamilton Ave Station - Engine Co. # 2 - October 2,1968.

Pat DeFrancesco , Ray Johnson


October 2, 1968

Photo taken September 14, 1957

Kinda surprised at some of the discussion here. Should anyone in Westchester or lower Fairfield County be surprised or not aware of the potential for an aircraft incident?
I did not need to sit through a class, get a pamphlet, or read a buff site, to realize that there is potential for an incident in this area. I guess one could just look up and listen at any given time and see a host of aircraft on the approach, in transit, or taking off.
I also would like to applaud AlpineRunner for mentioning that the smaller type of aircraft need to be handled for what they are...small vehicles, that happen to be in the air, rather than on the pavement.
Their size and fuel capacity is not that far from a large SUV or super-duty truck (or less). Why it is necessary to roll a surge of apparatus to an incident involving a small aircraft is disproportional to an understanding of the multitude of types of "aircraft" that may be found.
By some of the rationale that I have read here and other forums, would we dispatch the same response automatically to a report of a school bus rollover on a local road? or a report of a commercial bus collision on 287?
I recently was on scene at a Cessna crash in the central Connecticut that was handled with one Engine and one Rescue from the local FD. Interesting to note the differences in the response protocol between the two incidents. Just some food for thought?

JMHO, but this is what happens when you practice "feel good" policing. You can give the guys hats and bats and armor them up like ninja turtles, but to clear a unruly crowd you have to give them the green light to do it correctly. And yes, this may mean people get hurt. And the city fathers and police command staff will not do the right thing. Happens everywhere.