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They've recently have installed them on what was broadway.  That's what he ran into on 45th street and stopped him.  I'm not sure if they plan on putting them in on the 7th part of Times Square where he was able to drive onto the sidewalk.  
 
Terrible tradegy  prayers to all the families 

Great idea! Reduce, re-use, recycle!

Prayers for a speedy recovery. Glad the mutant thug has been eliminated from the gene pool.
 

Millwood's new rescue is now in service
 
 

Thiells FD (Rockland County)  has placed an order for  a new Rescue to replace there 1986 Saulsbury Rescue.
The new Rescue will be a Spartan / Rescue 1 walk around.

Great shots and info! Thanks for sharing!

The situation dictates your actions.
 
If I had a dollar for every time myself or my crew did something outside the box or not taught in a classroom to help operations, on both the fire and ems sides of the job, I'd be sitting on a nice pile of cash.
 
Never criticize someone for getting the job done. We don't know the particulars of this. If that was the only viable option, go for it.
 
Hopefully the NFPA, NIOSH, OSHA and PESH police, who have never been on the line and have never been faced with making a split second, outside the box decision, will not come and arrest the aerial operator.

Have seen Jersey City do its several times  on top floor apartment house fire as well as 1 house fire Ridgefield NJ (Volunteer dept) Used this method  during a heavily involved structure fire with people trapped  (2 person  fatal) using their 2 year old Sutphen mid mount stick  witch Scorched the tip of it  It's mounted on the wall of the apparatus bay at their firehouse now I believe there's pictures of this fire  At BT fire photos .com 11/17/12 scroll down 

New Nanuet NY VFD Station
15 Old Middletown Rd, Nanuet, NY 10954

When I first got on and worked in South Queens where there was lots of private dwelling fires and a fair share of vacant buildings this was very common.  The vacants then had the plywood HUD windows which the the chauffeur would take out.  The outside teams were very aggressive and operated independently.  So the ladder chauffeurs (who were very experienced firefighters from very busy trucks) would routinely take the attic window for VES.  SOP at time was to place the tip against the top of the window or wood and lower the stick.  It really wasn't that long ago but I feel as if we know a lot more.  First of all most people have embraced two in two out to the point that VES is done as a team.  As a firefighter in the Bronx we teamed up for VES (Roof and OV) and I thought it was better.  
 
Most importantly hopefully we think a lot more about coordinating ventilation and it's effects on the overall operation.  The fact is ventilation without water being applied to the seat of the fire is going to make the fire bigger and create flow paths.  So we need to think about why we do it.  If we're going to search for life we will need to isolate the area we are going to search or the fire is coming for us.  If we are going to VEIS we want to minimize the amount of air we are feeding the fire so we should not vent until we are fully geared up and in position.  To me this means facepiece on hood on on the tip of the aerial with your haligan.  This way you break the window, enter, find the door to the room, close it and search.  If you break it with the aerial and then climb up you have given the fire air for probably another minute minimum that will have a high potential of growing the fire.  I will be honest and say this is not how we used to do it but in the past 10 years we have been given some good information that we should use to refine our tactics and work smarter and safer.  Many say we are not thinking about potential victims when we refine these tactics but it's not true.  
 
If you're venting for fire then we need to have water on the fire and I'd argue it's not so critical that we need to use the tip of the aerial.  
 
I guess my point is that I'd rethink the tactic more based on our better understanding of fire dynamics (behavior) over concerns for the health of the aerial ladder.  

Congers Fire Dept. New Main Station
81 US-9W Congers, New York

Town Of Mamaroneck New Ladder 19 At KME Shop In Congers NY,

Is the old Mack coming back to Croton for the anniversary parade >?

 
The new R18 is a 2015 Spartan/Rescue One demo apparatus, sold to the Croton-on-Hudson Fire Department by Hendrickson Fire-Rescue Equipment of Islandia, NY. The apparatus boasts some of the following features;
- 2015 Spartan MetroStar MFD 6-Man Aluminum Cab
- 20' Walk-Around Aluminum Rescue Body
- Cummins ISL9 450HP Motor
- Allison 3000 5-Speed Transmission
- Onan 30KW Hydraulic PTO Generator
- Side-Mounted Stairwell for access to top-mounted storage compartments
- Wil-Burt Night Scan Powerlite 4.5 Telescopic 6-Head LED Light Tower
- Hurst JL-SE 5000 PSI On-Board Power Plant w/ 2 Hydraulic Hose Reels
- Hurst JL500 Cutter, Hurst ML28 Spreader, Hurst T41 & T59 Rams
- Hurst S700E2 Battery-Operated Cutter & SP555E2 Battery-Operated Spreader
- Carefree 8 Foot Power Awning
- FRC Spectra LED Scene Lights
- Whelen Warning Lights & Siren
- Warn 9,000 Lb. Portable Winch with Connecition Points on 4-sides of Apparatus
- Federal Q Mechanical Siren (Re-purposed from former R18).
- Six Scott Air-Pak X3 SCBAs w/ 6 Spare Cylinders
- Paratech Rescue Strut System
- FLIR K2 Thermal Imaging Camera
- 28' Extension, 14' Roof, 8' Attic and Little Giant Ladders
- 2 K12 Rescue Saws, 2 Chainsaws
- Various Rope, Ice, Water & Technical Rescue Equipment
- 200 Lb. Speedy Dry Hopper w/ dump chute and vacuum

In the case of the ridgefield Incident Chief hit EVAC order shortly after the fire started blowing out the front  They made all out effort to try and get to the 2 trapped residents (Mother & Son)

Never criticize for getting the job done? So as long as we put the fire out, anything goes? I know that's not what you meant, but discussions like this should be broad based and allow use to discuss limits, situations, parameters, and practices. If you do $300k damage to an aerial while extinguishing a fire in a $200k home, with no life hazard, is that justified? Anything we do seems fine in the name of getting the job done, until someone is hurt or killed or we destroy property (there's or "ours"). The point isn't to be frozen with fear of "breaking a rule" but to understand how to employ a tactic while minimizing risk. 
 
As has been noted in numerous posts, apparatus are just tools, but let's not forget that there are proper and improper ways to utilize tools, so a video like this can be a valid opportunity to review what our people know think, understand and know about using an aerial to vent. 

FDNY vented with the tip of the aerial as a matter of routine. It proved to be quick and effective and did not cause undue wear and tear on the ladder. Fire trucks are tools, unfortunately many departments treat them as parade pieces at the expense of sub-par performance on the fire-ground. BTW, FDNY did not spec their sticks with gizmo's and buff paraphernalia mounted on the working end, so there was no chance of creating additional airborne debris. 

 
I agree with dwcfireman. We always make sure we have enough manpower to rotate crews. We run a full rehab operation at structure fires and make sure all members are rehabed and hydrated.

Using it to vent a dormer or cupola by putting it through the window is one thing.  Using it to force apart timber is another.  If that were a new aerial I would bet that that would void the warranty and I'd be curious to hear what the folks that perform the ladder certification would say if they saw this.  I don't have a problem doing whatever it takes to save a life, but I didn't get the sense that was what we were watching here.

Not a good idea,but sometimes it's necessary seen it done many times in NYC and other cities....never saw the aerial rip up a roof just take out windows...

Interesting, thanks for sharing.
 
Ironically, I recently had a similar discussion with one of my Lieutenants. I suggested writing up an explanation of the RIT/FAST and posting it on our FB page. This way, members of the public would have an idea of why we "just stand around."

The Lime Yellow rigs which started in the 1970's and was championed by a eye Doctor by the name of Solomon seems not to have gained extensive popularity, .perhaps due to tradition or what difference does it make with all the warning lights. The good Doctor thru extensive testing found that the Lime color was more visible to the eye and there was no such color in nature except in a baby's diaper.

I worked the midnight shift for much of my time volunteering. I actually found it made taking some classes easier. Granted there was a big commitment involved, but I am not sure my working 11-7 then going to class at 8 is any better or worse than a guy who works 9-5 and goes to class at 6. I am also lucky enough to have a very good vacation policy at work where I could take a day at a time or even a half day, as opposed to taking two weeks at a time. This allowed me to attend a lot of good training classes. However it was rough doing a night drill then going into work at 11 tired from drill.

Here are a ton of photos from the expo floor at FDIC taken by adelaidefire   
 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/pobox448/albums/72157683256976726/page2

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